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(1:33:33 PM) some19yearold: You know what? Up until you posted your anniversary post I thought your wife was a really thin lady :-) she's my size
(1:33:37 PM) some19yearold: kool ;-)
(1:34:12 PM) some19yearold: my opinion of you improved greatly upon that realization :-D
(1:50:10 PM) EricHowton: You have problems that are not easily dealt with outside of medication and therapy if you're serious.


This was the entirety of a "conversation" (there was no actual interaction) I had on AIM yesterday (names changed to protect the guilty) and despite my initial reaction (as recorded above) it actually got me thinking about perspectives again.

When my wife was 19 years old, she was approximately 115 pounds, active in sports and working a job after school. When I met her a year before our wedding, she was 32 years old and only 10 pounds heavier - working out every day after work to supplant her more corporate lifestyle (as represented in our wedding picture on my Valentine post not anniversary as misstated above.) Today, after two-children and having crossed 40, is that representative of my intentions when we married?

Let's say I'm thought of more highly because I purposely married a fat girl? (How anyone gets 'large' from that wedding photo is beyond me to begin with.) Now that we know my wife was thinner when I married her (who wasn't) does that change? Am I thought of as less? Am I Shallow Hal? Did I marry my wife because she was hot, or because I loved her? Do I love her less now that she's no longer 125-pounds? Should I? What does it say about me that I married her when she was a hot little number? Does that make me shallow? And have stayed with her now that she's gained weight - Does my respect go up for not dumping her? Where is the demarcation line here?

Age does funny things to us all. I happen to be growing more attractive as I age - a wonderful gift for someone not blessed with overt beauty when I was younger. But I, too, am heavier. I've gained 25 pounds since I left the Air Force, but rarely even think about it. Should I put undue pressure on my wife despite my own shortcomings? I was 185 when I was 21. Maybe my wife married me because I was hot? Perhaps we were two superficial people taking advantage of each other's physical beauty and raging sexuality? If that were the case would we still be together now?

My wife's no longer that hot little number I married 10-years ago, but she has the potential to be again. She quit her job to raise our children at home. I respect that. I respect that more than the little weight she's gained because of that decision. She's looking into going back into the job market. It's been eight years, and that takes a lot of courage. Ten years of marriage has revealed to me her strengths. And I know once she gets back into the swing of things, she'll no longer be happy in the skin she wears now. The best years of our lives are yet to take place, and I can't wait for them to get here.

I love my wife for what she was.
I love my wife for what she is.
And I love my wife for what she will become.

I'm not troubled that I am being judged for the size of my wife - I'm more amused. I'm amused at the musings of youth. To quote Tone Lōc, "Hey you two, I was once like you and I liked to do the Wild Thing.



Berlin, West Germany - 1989, 24 years old.

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Date/Time: 2008-02-22 02:39 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] photogoot.livejournal.com
I completed my cooling off period… ;-) When I hear stories like the one presented here the thing I find so surprising is not the ignorance but rather the way ignorance is hoisted up, with great effort, to be brandished as if were a prize to be offered or esteemed. Just amazing really, I just do not understand it.

I am glad Lady L doesn’t seem too offended. I guess why would she be, the comments were not made directly to her or publicly for that matter. I simply see this as affirmation of my previous reaction to the things Rubie communicates to others in general. I have nothing against 19 year olds; I know plenty of young people who are thought provoking intelligent people. I enjoy interacting with them, it encourages and challenges me. This Rubie IMHO is not worth much time, if any. Good grief, what can you even say?
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 02:55 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] ehowton.livejournal.com
Nice reflective avatar. The only offense my wife took was that her 30+ year old body was being compared to that of a 19-year-old's. She thought if there was going to be body comparisons going on without her knowledge, that like-for-like should be used.

I really appreciate your "prize" analogy. Its really well done, and I think deserving of a place in our vernacular - to be pulled out and used when appropriate.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:11 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] photogoot.livejournal.com
O.K. lets get superficial for just a moment...

I don't know if Lady L has seen a photograph of the 19year old Rubie. I have. On physical appearance alone I would put Lady L at any age against Ruby at 19 and Lady L wins hands down every time. No contest, not even close, end of discussion! That is my judgment on that, and frankly I believe it is not contestable.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:19 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] catttitude.livejournal.com
I't all attitude, I am woman hear me roar.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:22 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] photogoot.livejournal.com
"I am woman hear me roar."

For deeply personal reasons I am going to have to ask you to refrain from using that statement in future.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:24 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] catttitude.livejournal.com
oops, no comment.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:31 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] photogoot.livejournal.com
;-)
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:32 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] catttitude.livejournal.com
You made me blush.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:56 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] ehowton.livejournal.com
I am man - I make her purr.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:59 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] photogoot.livejournal.com
Alright sparky, re-holster that tung.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:05 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] glodowg.livejournal.com
I was offended for her. Rudeness to the highest degree. I also found it pretty offensive to [livejournal.com profile] ehowton's character even though he didn't.

Reminds me of many people I know in life. I used to think they were just judgmental and rude. I have learned, with life experience, that they have no life experience. There are some people that have never stepped outside the safety of the United States or their own backyards and have never experienced anything worse than a bad hair day. These people have no right to have an opinion about people who "live life".

This is just my humble opinion.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:22 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] catttitude.livejournal.com
Glo, you can speak for me any time.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 03:30 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] photogoot.livejournal.com
I had the same kind of reaction at first as well. Then I remembered [livejournal.com profile] ehowton loves his menagerie of online friends and to an extent he brings, even invites, this into his life just for the sheer interest of discussing and looking at it. So i felt better about the whole thing because unless he shared it Lady L would never had even known some rube was making such comments. Once I got past all that I just thought wow can this fool really exist?

You really are correct about life experience; however when I think about the brief time I spoke with your 14 year old son in December I know there is another component. that component is character. Character, for those who poses it, provides a mechanism for us to successfully traverse situations for which we have no previous life experience. Your 14 year old would not have made such statements, his character guides him to better choices.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 04:34 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] glodowg.livejournal.com
It does a mamma's heart good to hear someone speak of her son that way - thank you!

However, he also knows that his mamma would strangle him if she heard him say things of that nature. Additionally, the child has had more life experience at 14 than many have had at 30. It is good for his character but bad for his childhood. I think the character piece outweighs the other. I am a very proud mamma.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 12:40 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] catttitude.livejournal.com
You have every right to be proud.
I also wish my children could stay young at heart just a little longer. The things they learn at school, believe me they aren't learning to just read any more.
Date/Time: 2008-02-22 12:49 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] catttitude.livejournal.com
Well what can I say? Out of the mouth of babes.

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